Looking at Morse

PossumPie · Post by **PossumPie** » Sun May 04, 2014 7:11 am

Ok, I'm willing to look at Morse as a suspect from a broader perspective. None of these points alone may be important, but together may mean something.

1. He arrived the day before the murders. This is either a horrible coincidence, or may mean he had something to do with it.
2. He got up early and went out away from the house. This may be coincidence, or it may mean he was setting up an alibi.
3. He seemed to have every detail of his alibi memorized. This may mean he was a detailed person, or that he was anticipating being asked.
4. He didn't go inside right away, but stopped to eat pears. He may not have had any reason to be suspicious that anything was wrong, but perhaps he was gathering his nerve to go in knowing what was waiting for him. I would think that Bridget would have approached him and said "Get inside, the Bordens are dead" Why did Sullivan and Sawyer ignore Morse and not tell him. He casually dropped the pears and walked up to them and they said Andrew is dead??? Very strange.
5. There was some confusion as to when he first heard of the murders, and some documents show he may have contradicted himself, did he receive a call saying come home they were murdered, or not? Suspicious because of the contradictions.

These are suspicious and make me wonder about his guilt.

Ok, now Let's look at some other things implied to be suspicious.

1. Morse was trained as a butcher....who cares??? the killer swung an ax and split open two skulls, my grandmother could have done that! He didn't make a beautiful Delmonico steak out of a tenderloin muscle on their backs!!!
2. Morse went right to the murder scene. WOW, in a room with two possible doors leading out, he picked the correct one. A monkey on a leash would have a 50/50 chance of going right into the sitting room.
3. Morse chose thus and such a word in some conversation or other...Most of the "quotes" are after-the-fact remembrances by people saying that he chose some word or other. He like everyone was under stress, and didn't stop to make a rough draft of what to say. There were no tape recorders or cell phones to record exact words, so I put little stock in a single word someone said that he uttered. "I took the streetcar back to the Bordens" could have been I RODE the streetcar, I caught the streetcar...etc. The sentence as a whole means something but the wording...not so much.

I have a healthy suspicion of Morse. He MAY have been involved. He was strange. My biggest worry is that there seems NO motive. If you kill two elderly people with an ax, there must be a reason. Thrill of the kill? He wasn't there, no thrill. Money? nope Revenge? Maybe, but we have no indication that he was upset. Taken as a group, the above seem to point to a possibility of his guilt.

Franz · Post by **Franz** » Sun May 04, 2014 8:53 am

Good work.

Your Morse's suspicion list could still be completed, IMO.

For the second point of the second part of your thread (how did Morse arrive in the sitting room? I invite you to re-read testimonies of Mrs. Churchill, Dr. Bowen, and that of Morse himself in the inquest testimony. You don't need to make a 50/50 guess about this issue, indeed.)

(P.S.: For the motive of Morse, I quote here a phrase of Curiousminde2014: "... I strongly believe absence of facts/evidence/proof is not a proof of absence...")

Curryong · Post by **Curryong** » Mon May 05, 2014 3:24 am

As far as relations with Andrew was concerned the two men wrote occasionally and John Morse would visit. He and Andrew had shared a house, with others, for about a year in the past.
He spoke at the inquest into Abby and Andrew Borden about their last communications together.

Inquest testimony Page 9.

Q You do not think you had written announcing your visit this time?

A. I don't think I did. Let me see, let me tell it as I can think of it. Mr Borden, when I was over here sometime in July that I speak of, wanted to know if I knew of a man he could get on his farm, to take charge of it, I told him I would see.
When I got back I wrote him I knew of a man I thought would suit him, I would send him over. He wrote back to me he had rather I would wait until I saw him. I have his letter in my pocket if you want to see it.'

Q What was the date of that letter?.....
(Witness produces the letter, dated July 25th 1892.)
Knowlton then takes it and apparently keeps it, in spite of Morse intimating that he wished to have it back as the letter was the last ever received from him. This in itself speaks of the feelings of friendship between the two men.

So we have Morse arriving at Andrew's invitation by letter, on Wednesday 3rd August. Yes, he arrived unexpectedly but it was on account of business not personal matters.

He was so friendly with Abby and Andrew that they pressed supper on him and he sat talking with them until quite late, in spite of the elderly couple not feeling very well. There is no sign of anything amiss, no hint of any quarrel. Morse lived only a short train ride away and had stayed overnight on several occasions in the past.

Franz · Post by **Franz** » Mon May 05, 2014 3:35 am

Curryong,

1. Why did Morse feel the necessity to bring with him (if he did bring with him the August 3rd) hte letter when he came to the Borden house, to justify his visit to Mr. Borden?

2. Many people are deceived by their (apparently) best friends. Many wives are killed by their husbands...

3. You said: "he (Morse) sat talking with them until quite late, in spite of the elderly couple not feeling very well." Very true, but would a real friend do such a thing?

4. You said: " in spite of Morse intimating that he wished to have it back as the letter was the last ever received from him. This in itself speaks of the feelings of friendship between the two men." You can certainly think so. But since the prosecution seemed to have done any investigation about the letter, I think I have all my right to doubt that Morse faked the letter to justify his visit to the police after the murder, and he tried to have the letter back because he was afraid that if the letter was always in the hands of the police, it could betray him one day o another. Maybe Morse did succeed in making the letter back to him, then destoyed it, that's why the letter was never found.

Curryong · Post by **Curryong** » Mon May 05, 2014 3:52 am

You and I might not do it Franz, but John was a country boy and probably not the most sensitive guy on the face of the planet. I tend to think that in the days before e-mails, phone calls etc people tended to keep their main form of communication, namely letters, near to them quite often.
As for justifying the letter why should he justify it? Andrew knew he'd written it, knew what it contained, and if he hadn't wanted to issue that kind of open invitation surely he would have made a more specific date for a meeting.

So John Morse was an expert forger of Andrew's handwriting as well as a murderer in your eyes! The police would have seen that letter and tested it against Andrew's handwriting. Have you any idea how difficult it would be to falsify an entire letter (not just a signature) so that it could fool other people?

A group of my friends decided to play a joking trick on another friend once and that man's brother wrote a letter to the man's girlfriend, pretending to be him. It was ten lines and a signature, and after the second line the girl knew somebody else had written the letter. I don't believe for one moment that wasn't Andrew's letter, and I don't think you do either!

Franz · Post by **Franz** » Mon May 05, 2014 4:02 am

Curryong wrote:You and I might not do it Franz, but John was a country boy and probably not the most sensitive guy on the face of the planet. I tend to think that in the days before e-mails, phone calls etc people tended to keep their main form of communication, namely letters, near to them quite often.
As for justifying the letter why should he justify it? Andrew knew he'd written it, knew what it contained, and if he hadn't wanted to issue that kind of open invitation surely he would have made a more specific date for a meeting.

What I mean is that Morse didn't need to bring the letter with him to justify his visit to Andrew. Assuming that Andrew did write the letter, when Morse came to FR as response to the letter, he didn't need to bring the letter and said to Andrew: "Andrew, I pay visit to you because you invited me, here is the prove, your letter."
When you received an invitation letter from a friend family and then you went there, you just need to say: hey my dear friend, I am here! you don't need to take the letter with you and demonstrated it, right?

Morse didn't need to bring the letter, I don't think that he had demonstrated it to Andrew, but he demonstrated it to the police to justify his visit to Borden family. The letter could have been really written by Andrew, but its being brought to FR could have been calculated by Morse. If Morse was innocent, he couldn't have forseen that it would occur a murder while he was at the Borden house, and the police would investigate, and he would justify his visit to the police, so why did he decide to take that letter?

twinsrwe · Post by **twinsrwe** » Mon May 05, 2014 6:42 am

Well, Franz, I'm afraid only John Morse can answer your question of why he decided to take the letter with him to Fall River. Perhaps there was information in that letter that he would need on his visit to Andrew.

Curryong · Post by **Curryong** » Mon May 05, 2014 7:21 am

I'm sure you are right, twinsrwe. It probably contained business news, some information about the man who was hoping for the Swansea farm job, even something about the oxen he (John) was wishing to buy.

Franz · Post by **Franz** » Mon May 05, 2014 7:58 am

twinsrwe and Curryong, you are right, it's possible. And Morse was not the only person to answer my question. Knowlton as well, but the letter was lost! Knowlton was the real criminal in the Borden case.

As I said in another reply, an possible explanation couldn't disprove another possible one, I think your explanations, excellent, could not disprove the validity of my doubt.

Curryong · Post by **Curryong** » Mon May 05, 2014 8:24 pm

Possum, with nos 2 and 3 on your list it's a bit difficult to gauge whether John Morse had previously written to his niece stating that he was coming to Fall River on business and would visit her. I suspect not. I think he was a naturally early riser as so many country people are, and just dropped in on his niece. He found her home, though feeling unwell, and so stayed, proving the point of an earlier post with Franz, that a Mr Sensitive he was not!

I really don't think that it could said that his morning was meticulously planned in providing himself with an alibi, as surely, if John had wished to make doubly sure of this, he would have written to his nephew asking him to please be home at that time and date. As it was, his nephew was out.

As for Point 3 we don't really know enough about John Morse as a person to make judgements about whether his behavior in remembering all the details of his journey was part of his usual pattern of behaviour. I doubt very much that he was a vague sort of person in his everyday life. Andrew enjoyed talking business with him, and he certainly knew about running rural properties.

Our views on this Forum on Morse recalling all the details of his journey that morning are probably influenced by how we individually feel about the whole Borden case, I suppose. As a convinced Lizzie-ite I regard his behaviour as 'strange but true'.

I don't think it should ever be forgotten however, that he was undoubtedly thoroughly checked out by the police at the time. After Lizzie's incarceration Jennings and co. sent a private detective, Henson, to try and dig out any dirt about John Morse. He came back empty-handed, and, I believe if anything had been found out to Morse's discredit, Lizzie's lawyers would have torn him to shreds in the witness box.

Aamartin · Post by **Aamartin** » Mon May 05, 2014 8:55 pm

I don't find it odd he took the letter to FR with him. Mail was slower in those days-- and rare. Getting a letter was important. JVM expressed desire to visit the Post Office after the crimes-- the man liked mail.

debbiediablo · Post by **debbiediablo** » Mon May 05, 2014 11:47 pm

Franz wrote:Curryong,

1. Why did Morse feel the necessity to bring with him (if he did bring with him the August 3rd) hte letter when he came to the Borden house, to justify his visit to Mr. Borden?
.

In the technological world we live in letters consist mainly of junk mail. The important stuff comes by email or is downloaded. I can recall the pleasure of looking through my mother's cookbook where she tucked away letters, cards, paper momentoes of all sorts. Much of no great importance but mail, nonetheless. And my father's mother kept all of her correspondence under dozens of ornate handketchiefs in an ornate wooden box. Times have changed. Letters were important in Victorian days and even post WWII. Letters weren't just a piece of paper, they were a connection in a world where siblings might see one another once every ten years.

Curryong · Post by **Curryong** » Tue May 06, 2014 12:00 am

Or even longer, debbie. (Mail, I'm talking about!) Before the Suez Canal was built in the 1870's, trips backwards and forwards between Australia and Britain/Europe could take six months or more each way. Imagine worrying for months about a sister having a baby and then receiving a letter seven months later saying both mother and infant had died.
I don't think Victorian sentimentality about letters was out of place at all.

By the way, I see the trial of Oscar the Wailer has resumed. How much longer is this going to dribble on for!

debbiediablo · Post by **debbiediablo** » Tue May 06, 2014 12:33 am

I just read the bio on Oscar's judge and she doesn't look like a pushover.

Curryong · Post by **Curryong** » Tue May 06, 2014 12:42 am

No, i agree, and I certainly hope not. We're now seeing the several friends testifying to how hopelessly in love with her Oscar was, how devastated, how he prayed that she wouldn't die, dah de dah. Lord knows they don't have anything else to throw into the mix. The defence was hung out to dry on the forensic evidence.

By the way, this is very grainy CCTV footage of Amanda Knox which has somewhat mysteriously appeared, of her walking near the apartment in Ferugia on the night of the murder.

Franz · Post by **Franz** » Tue May 06, 2014 4:50 am

Hello everyone.

All the observations you made about the importance of the mails at Lizzie's time are correct, but it seems to me that they have little, if nothing, to do with my question: Why did Morse feel the necessity to bring with him (if he did bring with him the August 3rd)? I think this should be one of the many questions Knowlton might have asked, but he didn't.

Let's Imagine:

Knowlton: "Mr. Morse, did you bring this letter with you August 3rd?"
Morse: "Yes, sir."
K: "Was there a particular motive for which you brought it with you, Mr. Morse?"
M: "Certainly, I observed my Crystal Ball and saw the murder happen, so I thought I must justify my visit before the authorities, therefore, I broght the letter of Mr. Borden. You see, I am totally innocent, please trust me, sir."

PossumPie · Post by **PossumPie** » Tue May 06, 2014 5:15 am

Franz, Even if Morse had both Bordens killed, a letter "justifying" his visit would be worthless. How would a letter take suspicion away from him?
Pretending for a moment that Morse was the one and only suspect by police, him pulling out a letter inviting him to F.R. would not be any help to him. I totally fail to see what this whole letter argument matters.

Police: "John Morse, we think you were the mastermind of these murders."
Morse: "I am not, I was invited...see (Triumphantly Pulling out letter)
Police: "So?"
Morse: (Coughing embarrassingly) "Well...just saying...I was invited"
Police: "So being invited means you couldn't have killed them? What kind of stupid logic is that?"

Franz · Post by **Franz** » Tue May 06, 2014 5:43 am

PossumPie wrote:Franz, Even if Morse had both Bordens killed, a letter "justifying" his visit would be worthless. How would a letter take suspicion away from him?
Pretending for a moment that Morse was the one and only suspect by police, him pulling out a letter inviting him to F.R. would not be any help to him. I totally fail to see what this whole letter argument matters.

Police: "John Morse, we think you were the mastermind of these murders."
Morse: "I am not, I was invited...see (Triumphantly Pulling out letter)
Police: "So?"
Morse: (Coughing embarrassingly) "Well...just saying...I was invited"
Police: "So being invited means you couldn't have killed them? What kind of stupid logic is that?"

I see what you mean, PossumPie, but Morse could have thought differently than you.

Let's imagine Morse's psycological status (a possible one, IMO): I mastermind the murder but I must garantee myself not to be caught by the poilce. How to do? Ok. 1) For the murder time I will observe carefully and give an excellent alibi; 2) for my presence at the Borden house I will bring Andrew's letter.

Curryong · Post by **Curryong** » Tue May 06, 2014 5:57 am

If the police didn't read the letter written by Andrew to John in July then they should have. The tone of the letter would have conveyed the level of friendship shared between the two men, at the least. He may have written about the Swansea farm being unprofitable or business ventures, profitable or unprofitable. If there was any hint that Andrew wished to turn the Swansea farms over to John, that alone could have been cause for Andrew's murder.

twinsrwe · Post by **twinsrwe** » Tue May 06, 2014 5:06 pm

Why did John Morse bring a letter from Andrew with him on this particular trip to Fall River, but not a toothbrush or change of clothes? As I've posted in my previous post: Only John Morse could answer this question. We can speculate until the cows come home, but we are never going to know why JVM did, or did not do, these things.

debbiediablo · Post by **debbiediablo** » Tue May 06, 2014 5:27 pm

Franz wrote: Let's imagine Morse's psycological status (a possible one, IMO): I mastermind the murder but I must garantee myself not to be caught by the poilce. How to do? Ok. 1) For the murder time I will observe carefully and give an excellent alibi; 2) for my presence at the Borden house I will bring Andrew's letter.

How about: For my alibi I stay totally away from the Borden house, like at home or in another state or at least not there for a few days/weeks/months instead of a few hours.

Franz · Post by **Franz** » Tue May 06, 2014 5:49 pm

twinsrwe wrote:Why did John Morse bring a letter from Andrew with him on this particular trip to Fall River, but not a toothbrush or change of clothes? As I've posted in my previous post: Only John Morse could answer this question. We can speculate until the cows come home, but we are never going to know why JVM did, or did not do, these things.

Thank you for your "until the cows come home"

I hate Knowlton! I hate Knowlton! I hate Knowlton! (repeated 100,000,000,000...times.)

debbiediablo · Post by **debbiediablo** » Tue May 06, 2014 6:07 pm

I think the issue of Morse's possession of the letter is making a mountain out of molehill. Certainly the police department was dumb as box of rocks for not doing a more thorough investigation. And Knowlton may have been thick as a brick. Even so, Franz, I think you're barking up the wrong tree. There's got to be a lot more than one letter in his pocket before I'm ready to throw Morse to the wolves.

Curryong · Post by **Curryong** » Tue May 06, 2014 6:18 pm

I too think we've got stuck on this letter from Andrew, which I introduced many posts ago as a reason for John to go to stay at the Bordens. I remain convinced that it was an innocent visit, to do with business. There is absolutely no evidence that connects Morse to the Borden killings. None, Franz, none! Produce some documentation that there is, Franz, and I'm sure we'll all take a look at it.

twinsrwe · Post by **twinsrwe** » Tue May 06, 2014 6:25 pm

Franz wrote:
twinsrwe wrote:Why did John Morse bring a letter from Andrew with him on this particular trip to Fall River, but not a toothbrush or change of clothes? As I've posted in my previous post: Only John Morse could answer this question. We can speculate until the cows come home, but we are never going to know why JVM did, or did not do, these things.
Thank you for your "until the cows come home"

I hate Knowlton! I hate Knowlton! I hate Knowlton! (repeated 100,000,000,000...times.)

You're welcome, Franz. I thought the "until the cows come home" was an appropriate thing to post, since John Morse was a farmer.

Franz · Post by **Franz** » Tue May 06, 2014 6:36 pm

debbiediablo wrote:I think the issue of Morse's possession of the letter is making a mountain out of molehill. Certainly the police department was dumb as box of rocks for not doing a more thorough investigation. And Knowlton may have been thick as a brick. Even so, Franz, I think you're barking up the wrong tree. There's got to be a lot more than one letter in his pocket before I'm ready to throw Morse to the wolves.

Do you know I bought two days ago A Dictionary of American Idioms?

Franz · Post by **Franz** » Tue May 06, 2014 6:39 pm

twinsrwe wrote: ...
You're welcome, Franz. I thought the "until the cows come home" was an appropriate thing to post, since John Morse was a farmer.

Why not "until the horses come home"? JVM was a horse dealer.

debbiediablo · Post by **debbiediablo** » Tue May 06, 2014 7:16 pm

cows coming home for milking.jpg

Because cows come into the barn to be milked twice a day...often without being driven in or having a dog round them up. Horses do not get milked...:-)

You are very funny, Franz.

twinsrwe · Post by **twinsrwe** » Tue May 06, 2014 9:21 pm

That's right, Debbie. Sorry Franz, but horses just do not have that trait.

twinsrwe · Post by **twinsrwe** » Tue May 06, 2014 9:23 pm

Franz wrote:... Do you know I bought two days ago A Dictionary of American Idioms?

Yes I did! You had posted this fact in another thread.

Curryong · Post by **Curryong** » Tue May 06, 2014 11:11 pm

Are you working your way through it alphabetically Franz, or just dipping into it?

debbiediablo · Post by **debbiediablo** » Wed May 07, 2014 2:24 am

How about one dog's a dog; two dogs, half a dog; three dogs, no dogs at all.

Franz · Post by **Franz** » Wed May 07, 2014 8:32 am

Oh please don't joke with my sweetheart. Skipper says hello to papa's forum fellows (he isn't barking up the wrong tree, I hope.)

debbiediablo · Post by **debbiediablo** » Wed May 07, 2014 8:45 am

Oh no. Skipper is definitely one dog...maybe not even dog, maybe human in a dog body! Look at that expression. Such a flirt.

PossumPie · Post by **PossumPie** » Wed May 07, 2014 9:48 am

Franz wrote:Oh please don't joke with my sweetheart. Skipper says hello to papa's forum fellows (he isn't barking up the wrong tree, I hope.)

Yep, your cute dog is one reason you endear yourself to me Franz...

Franz · Post by **Franz** » Wed May 07, 2014 12:05 pm

PossumPie wrote:
Yep, your cute dog is one reason you endear yourself to me Franz...

Oh PossumPie, what a touching reply, I burst into tears...

Skipper and me we are learning: every dog has his day, go to the dogs, hot dog, lead a dog's life, let sleeping dogs lie, rain cats and dogs, dog's age, and... dog-eat-dog.

(Homework: choose one idiom as model and invent a new one: let smoking Lizzie lie...)

Please guess: this is Skipper the Killer or Skipper the Detective?

PossumPie · Post by **PossumPie** » Wed May 07, 2014 12:25 pm

Franz, some inner city young people also say "dog" to mean friend as in "Hey, Dog! How you be" "I be fine, Dog just chillin with my peeps!" (Hi friend, how are you? Just fine, relaxing with my buddies.)

debbiediablo · Post by **debbiediablo** » Wed May 07, 2014 7:36 pm

Franz wrote:
PossumPie wrote:
Yep, your cute dog is one reason you endear yourself to me Franz...
Oh PossumPie, what a touching reply, I burst into tears...

Skipper and me we are learning: every dog has his day, go to the dogs, hot dog, lead a dog's life, let sleeping dogs lie, rain cats and dogs, dog's age, and... dog-eat-dog.

(Homework: choose one idiom as model and invent a new one: let smoking Lizzie lie...)

Please guess: this is Skipper the Killer or Skipper the Detective?

Skipper: dog by day, super hero The Shadow by night.

Don't cry over spilt blood.

Drastic times call for drastic murders.

Andrew and Abby were the splitting images of each other.

Curryong · Post by **Curryong** » Thu May 08, 2014 12:36 am

Does Skipper the detective have his own cape and pipe?

Franz · Post by **Franz** » Thu May 08, 2014 8:34 am

Curryong wrote:Does Skipper the detective have his own cape and pipe?

Curryong, Skipper has his own style of being detective.

Curryong · Post by **Curryong** » Thu May 08, 2014 8:44 am

Bet he would still look cute in a deerstalker hat!

debbiediablo · Post by **debbiediablo** » Thu May 08, 2014 9:14 am

Franz wrote:
Curryong wrote:Does Skipper the detective have his own cape and pipe?
Curryong, Skipper has his own style of being detective.

He can sniff out the truth?

Franz · Post by **Franz** » Thu May 08, 2014 9:24 am

Curryong wrote:Bet he would still look cute in a deerstalker hat!

Good idea. We'll try.

Franz · Post by **Franz** » Thu May 08, 2014 9:25 am

debbiediablo wrote:...
He can sniff out the truth?

His truth is me, only me. Therefore, Lizzie was innocent for him.

Curryong · Post by **Curryong** » Fri May 09, 2014 5:46 am

Pets give unconditional love, don't they, and ask for nothing in return. This is probably why Lizzie was so devoted to her animals in later life.
I wonder why there were no pets in No 92? A daily walk with a dog would have got Lizzie away from brooding in her room. A cat could have been an indoor companion. I do have a feeling that it was probably Andrew who objected to any pets, perhaps due to the expense of keeping them.

debbiediablo · Post by **debbiediablo** » Fri May 09, 2014 8:13 pm

awesome the wonder dog1.jpg

This is my daughter's beloved dog, gentlest most loving animal despite being 100 lbs of pit bull and mastiff cross. His name was Awesome. RIP 2004-2012

twinsrwe · Post by **twinsrwe** » Fri May 09, 2014 8:48 pm

Franz, Skipper is such a cutie!

Curryong, I know the story of Lizzie killing Abby's cat is a hoax, but there is a cat that lives at 92 Second Street. Check it out here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZaev7xszXQ

Debbie, what a sweet looking dog; I’m sorry he is no longer with your daughter.

twinsrwe · Post by **twinsrwe** » Fri May 09, 2014 8:50 pm

Franz wrote:… Why not "until the horses come home"? JVM was a horse dealer.

I suppose we could say: Andrew, Abby, Emma and Lizzie were odd ducks, but Uncle John was a horse of a different color.

An odd duck, is an expression used for an unusual, different or strange individual.
A horse of a different color, means something totally separate and completely different.

OR (I like this one better)...

We could say: Andrew, Abby, Emma and Lizzie were odd ducks, but Uncle John was a dark horse.

An odd duck, is an expression used for an unusual, different or strange individual.
A dark horse, is a person who is a bit of a mystery and we don't know how they will react or perform.

Curryong · Post by **Curryong** » Fri May 09, 2014 9:19 pm

Thanks twinsrwe for the link to a remarkably long-lived moggy!

I'm a softy for all animals and I think all the pets featured here, alive or unfortunately passed on, are absolutely lovely. I have no pets at the moment but did have Sam, a poodle who died at the age of 20 and Tabitha, a gentle-natured tabby who was 15 when she died.
I think Lizzie's love of animals was probably her most likeable characteristic.

As far as Franz's belief in Lizzie's innocence goes, Possum has tried to reason with him but -- you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink!

Of course, we may all be flogging a dead horse here!

twinsrwe · Post by **twinsrwe** » Fri May 09, 2014 11:27 pm

You're welcome, Curryong. I agree, it was a rather long-lived video, but Max is sure a beautiful cat!

I'm also an animal lover, and I agree that Lizzie's love of animals makes her endearing to us. I don't have any pets at the present time, either, but when I was a child I had a pure white long haired cat that had blue eyes. One hot summer day, my twin brother decided that my cat looked too hot, so he cut the fur off around it's neck! The fur never grew back, and unfortunately about a year or so later, it died after being hit by a car.

OMG, I love your horse idioms!