Lizzie Borden Society Forum

Franz, I agree that your theory of Morse getting revenge for Andrew molesting the girls is logical and possible. It is a very good theory. The problem (as always) is that nothing about the case supports it. There is nothing you can point to and say This backs up my theory. I DO like that idea (better than your theory that he wanted them to get rich) but I need some kind of evidence. I could just as easily fall back on my theory that the Pope orchestrated it with JUST as much validity behind it. A theory only gains respect with evidence to support it. What we know of Morse is that he was strange, we have nothing to indicate he had a murderous nature, or even lost his temper. Morse never that we are aware of showed much concern or affection for the girls. I'm beginning to wonder if you have unresolved issues with an uncle in your past. Your tenacious hatred of Poor Morse is beginning to worry me.

debbiediablo wrote:Axe murders were rare because women couldn't always handle the axe as an offensive weapon...not so much the hatchet.

http://listverse.com/2014/04/25/10-gris ... murderers/

If you’re going to be the first woman executed by the state of North Carolina, you might as well get your money’s worth. Frances Stewart Silver hacked apart and scattered her husband so thoroughly that he wasn’t found all at once. His remains were eventually buried in three separate graves. In addition to an ax murderer, Frankie was something of a twisted fire-starter as well. She became the prime suspect in her husband’s disappearance when a snooping neighbor poked around the couple’s fireplace and found ashes oozing with fleshy oils. It didn’t help that a pool of blood “as big as a hog liver” was discovered under the floorboards of their home. The eventual discovery of what remained of Charles’s head and torso sealed the deal.

The motive is unclear, with theories ranging from jealousy to self-defense of herself and their infant daughter. Either way, 1830s society didn’t take kindly to wives dismembering their husbands. Controversy swirled around the trial, and Frankie was nearly acquitted. Despite public support shifting toward pardoning her, Frankie needed a jailbreak by her father as a last gasp at dodging the hangman’s noose. It was not to be. Following her recapture, the petite Frankie was hung from the neck until dead.

I looked that case up. She makes Lizzie look like a saint. Frances axed her husband so badly that he wasn't found all at once.

Franz wrote:... (Hey twinsrwe, your post has just cancelled the mine, I am typing for the second time. )

Oh no, Franz, I am so sorry!

I have never had one of my post cancelled by another member submitting their post. Have you contacted Stefani regarding this problem? If not, I'd suggest you do so; she may be able to fix the problem or at least tell you why this happens.

Franz wrote:

twinsrwe wrote:Let’s not forget, John Morse and Andrew were homosexuals. See: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2548

Angel: "Stop! I can't stand it!"

Angel's statement is just the best post ever, isn't it?

debbiediablo wrote:

twinsrwe wrote:Let’s not forget, John Morse and Andrew were homosexuals. See: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2548

And…

Curryong wrote:I LOVE that theory and I'll join you, debbie. I especially like John rubbing pears on his dried blood and trampling the pears into the ground afterwards. Also John and Andrew going into the guest room to make love, with Abby and Lizzie nearby! One day we should ask Stefani if we could collate some of the theories that have come up on this forum and our discussions about them. It would make a good book. ...

Well, Debbie and Curryong, I’ll also join the two of you!!! You have to admit, rgreen4411 had one heck of a theory!!!

OPPS, double post!

Yes, one heck of a sense of humour too. I wonder what happened to him/her? rgreen4411, if you're still out there, I hope you know what enjoyment you brought to the Forum!

rgreen4411 joined the forum on Sep 10, 2006, and her first post was submitted on Jan 08, 2007, which was the topic titled, Was Andrew gay? Her last post was submitted on Jan 29, 2011, in the topic titled, Let's play "What if". So, she was actively posting for a little over 4 years. Where she went, I have no idea, but I doubt she will return. However, I could be wrong about that.

Thanks for that, twins. Perhaps she checks in every now and again, all the same, and sees this!

twinsrwe wrote:

Franz wrote:

twinsrwe wrote:Let’s not forget, John Morse and Andrew were homosexuals. See: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2548

Angel: "Stop! I can't stand it!"

Angel's statement is just the best post ever, isn't it?

Oh yes!

PossumPie wrote:Franz, I agree that your theory of Morse getting revenge for Andrew molesting the girls is logical and possible. It is a very good theory. The problem (as always) is that nothing about the case supports it. There is nothing you can point to and say This backs up my theory. I DO like that idea (better than your theory that he wanted them to get rich) but I need some kind of evidence. I could just as easily fall back on my theory that the Pope orchestrated it with JUST as much validity behind it. A theory only gains respect with evidence to support it. What we know of Morse is that he was strange, we have nothing to indicate he had a murderous nature, or even lost his temper. Morse never that we are aware of showed much concern or affection for the girls. I'm beginning to wonder if you have unresolved issues with an uncle in your past. Your tenacious hatred of Poor Morse is beginning to worry me.

Thank you Possum, but I had and have excellent relationship with my 4 uncles.

I have no hatred of Morse. Not at all.

Sorry, double post.

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I think rgreen4411 got it slightly wrong. This is what really happened:

August 1892:

For many years Andrew, John and Abby have been engaging in a ménage a trois until Andrew begins to suffer erectile dysfunction. He eats oysters, Spanish fly, raw bull testicles, but nothing helps. On the night before the murders Andrew catches Abby and John in flagrante delicato outside under the pear tree at 2 AM. Andrew is furious; even if he couldn't participate surely they know how much he likes to watch!!! John explains that Abby jumped on him in the guest room and assured him that Andrew wouldn't care so long as they were discreet. But does Andrew consider out in the yard under a tree to be at all discreet!!!

At face value, Andrew seems to accept this explanation. But little known to Abby and John, Andrew's calmness is just a facade - the calm before the storm. He is furious, angry that Morse is boinking his wife when all Andrew needs is for someone to invent a little purple pill. Plus he hates those red hot chili peppers!!! And he really hates they were outside under the tree and he missed it all from the bedroom window.

Andrew starts into a slow boil as he waits for John to leave. Once John is gone, Andrew quickly dispatches Abby in the guestroom and then changes coats and goes on his way downtown. He uses a new hatchet that had been purchased several years before to prune the pear tree. It remains by her body.

In the meantime, John circles back and finds Abby dead. John is devastated!! He loved Abby; he wants REVENGE!!

So first John unlocks the cellar door, then he sets about creating his alibi by memorizing everywhere he was or might have been - such as the street car numbers and driver's badges of transit he did and didn't take. He visits his niece and then races home ahead of Andrew (reciting his alibi all the way there) comes in through the basement and waits until Andrew is down for his morning nap, today being exhausted from all that hatchet swinging. (That's a lot of physical exertion for a 70 year old man with chronic diarrhea and erectile dysfunction.)

Before Andrew can defend himself, John beats in his face with great pleasure using the hatchet that killed Abby. John had loved Abby ever since Andrew married her...he had begged her to leave the stingy old b*st*rd and those spoiled rotten girls. But Abby told John to wait until Andrew's death, that his stomach was bothering him more and more and more. That soon he would take leave of this world and she would inherit almost all of his fortune!!

So John slips his own bloodstained coat under Andrew's head, and then pulls on Andrew's coat and heads back out through the cellar door, almost running into Lizzie (wearing a red and black corset and carrying a riding crop and a flogger) coming back from her daily assignation in the barn with Alice Russell. The hatchet is pitched on top of Crowe's roof. Then Uncle John stands inconspicuously behind the pear tree, slobbering pear juice all over himself and trying to get all those numbers straight in his head.

Bridget doesn't even have a chance to change into her French Maid costume to serve dinner before Lizzie is screaming that someone has come in and killed father!

Are you Absolutely Sure that you didn't write the 'Fifty Shades of Grey' series in your spare time?
In the meantime, at the grave site of Andrew and Abby, there are the sounds of two headless skeletons--Andrew and Abby-- turning in their graves!

Curryong wrote:Are you Absolutely Sure that you didn't write the 'Fifty Shades of Grey' series in your spare time?

Unfortunately I didn't.